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  1. #2961
    Quote Originally Posted by Revuhlooshun View Post
    Republicans ready porn crackdown.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1833840.html

    "The Daily Caller reported earlier this year that Trueman, who served in the Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations, had received an assurance from Romney’s campaign that the former Massachusetts governor would “vigorously” prosecute pornographers if elected president."

    Now they have gone too fucking far.
    That's just dumb.

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    This whole Republican race has been a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revuhlooshun View Post
    Republicans ready porn crackdown.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1833840.html

    "The Daily Caller reported earlier this year that Trueman, who served in the Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations, had received an assurance from Romney’s campaign that the former Massachusetts governor would “vigorously” prosecute pornographers if elected president."

    Now they have gone too fucking far.
    Oh wow, they really don't want to get into office at all, do they? Not to mention the fact computer-side browser filters isn't going to have much effect.

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    Thank you based Ron Paul.

  5. #2965
    Arizona redefining pregnancy? I haven't see the bill, but if this is true

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    Ok. I read it. It's stupid. Science can't pinpoint conception, but the government can say it begins before ovulation. That's fucked.

    "Senate Amendments to H.B. 2036
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    1 4. "Gestational age" means the age of the unborn child as calculated
    2 from the first day of the last menstrual period of the pregnant woman."

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    It's so they can shave a week or two off the time limit to get an abortion. Since there's practically no chance of ever getting Roe vs. Wade repealed, they're chipping away at it any way they can. In some states they've started passing laws restricting the types of building that abortions can be performed in (stupid shit like the height of doors or lengths of hallways), effectively making it near impossible to comply.

    This is the same party who campaigned on creating jobs. It'd be nice if the Republican party ditched the dominionist religious zealots, stopped with the social oppression of minorities, got off the dicks of the rich and the warmongers, and just focused on solid fiscal conservatism. Right now they seem like they're doing everything they can to drive away the moderates. The party is going to implode if they don't take the wheel back from the crazies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Mxy Yost View Post
    It'd be nice if the Republican party ditched the dominionist religious zealots, stopped with the social oppression of minorities, got off the dicks of the rich and the warmongers, and just focused on solid fiscal conservatism. Right now they seem like they're doing everything they can to drive away the moderates. The party is going to implode if they don't take the wheel back from the crazies.
    In short: It'd be nice if they weren't all feckiing mad, bad morons.

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    Yea, well if they go after porn, I imagine Hotlanta won't be far from just regular old Atlanta again once they nail the Shoe Shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Mxy Yost View Post
    and just focused on solid fiscal conservatism.
    That right there. The crazies will never go away though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlowBear View Post
    In short: It'd be nice if they weren't all feckiing mad, bad morons.
    Same for the Tories here really.

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    The Tory party and the people of Tory, seperate but all batshit.

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    The crazies will never go away, but that doesn't mean the party leadership needs to cater to their every whim. Sucking up to idiots like Grover "No tax increases never ever nope nope" Norquist or the subhumans who are practically drooling over the idea that Israel and Iran might go to war so we send our service members into another meat grinder is a terrible, terrible idea. The few republicans who dare speak out against the foolish path the party is taking end up labeled as "rinos" and often end up getting primaried by a teabagger whose brain has been warped by trying to reconcile their faith in the Bible and Ayn Rand at the same time. This purge of people who aren't "ideologically pure" is like being in a car with no brakes heading for a cliff and deciding the best course of action is to floor the gas.

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    The crazier a party becomes the less support it'll get. Eventually they'll return to the balance where they're stupid enough to make things worse but not so much that people could see it coming.

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    That only works if the population stays constant, which it is not -- it has become more extreme. U.S. politics are not like European politics -- policy positions are formed from the bottom up by voters, not dictated to them in a list of MPs that they have no say in crafting. Every member of Congress is nominated by voters, not party leaders, to run in their races, which is then voted on by the overall population. Every crazy person who stands on stage does so because they were elected by equally crazy people to reflect their views.

    Half of these officials say these things because they truly believe it. The other half says them because if they don't, they won't get elected. Senators who have been in office for over 40 years with extraordinary records have been taken down through primary challenges for not being extreme enough. This is not a country of a general moderate consensus -- it is comprised of two polar opposites with a small margin in the middle who claim to be independent, but are really just apathetic and will be swayed by any well-crafted nonsense and horseshit.

    It's going to get worse until there is a catastrophe. This is the history of most politically divided countries -- Italy, Germany, Spain, and most of South America. The country has to bottom out before it reconciles, or one side has to be ultimately proven incorrect in its policies. This is not achieved by the fact that the federal branches of government have become paralyzed as the Senate sits in neutral due to parliamentarian maneuvers and the Supreme Court is fractured along close party lines.

    Government sits in a standstill. We are going nowhere. Nobody gets to try to implement their ideas. Nobody is proven right. Nobody is proven wrong. Instead we fester in our own mire while the anger boils over.

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    You're right, because no country in Europe has ever voted in any crazy people :/

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    You're not following what I am saying. A major U.S. political party cannot be so crazy that it no longer appeals to the mainstream -- its views, its policies, its candidates, and its elected officials are all dictated and chosen by the mainstream. You two are confusing the egg for the chicken, but only because it's a different system. It is designed so that each party appeals directly to what voters want and are looking for, which is why the two parties are so alike on most issues (but are beginning to diverge a lot as well as the electorate becomes more extreme and divided).

    The party is only crazy because the people are crazy, because it is designed strictly to appeal to the people, no more, no less. American politics is influenced a lot more by ordinary people than in parliamentary systems where parties largely govern themselves without a lot of outside input besides polling, unless they choose to open decision making to the public (which is rare in many countries).

    There is no choosing in that regard in the American system. Voters pre-approve every candidate that then goes on national television and espouses his views on legitimate rape. What he said is not any different than what dozens of other candidates in his party have said for over 20 years either. He simply worded it horribly.

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    I guess.

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    That double standard lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revuhlooshun View Post
    That only works if the population stays constant, which it is not -- it has become more extreme. U.S. politics are not like European politics -- policy positions are formed from the bottom up by voters, not dictated to them in a list of MPs that they have no say in crafting. Every member of Congress is nominated by voters, not party leaders, to run in their races, which is then voted on by the overall population. Every crazy person who stands on stage does so because they were elected by equally crazy people to reflect their views.

    Half of these officials say these things because they truly believe it. The other half says them because if they don't, they won't get elected. Senators who have been in office for over 40 years with extraordinary records have been taken down through primary challenges for not being extreme enough. This is not a country of a general moderate consensus -- it is comprised of two polar opposites with a small margin in the middle who claim to be independent, but are really just apathetic and will be swayed by any well-crafted nonsense and horseshit.

    It's going to get worse until there is a catastrophe. This is the history of most politically divided countries -- Italy, Germany, Spain, and most of South America. The country has to bottom out before it reconciles, or one side has to be ultimately proven incorrect in its policies. This is not achieved by the fact that the federal branches of government have become paralyzed as the Senate sits in neutral due to parliamentarian maneuvers and the Supreme Court is fractured along close party lines.

    Government sits in a standstill. We are going nowhere. Nobody gets to try to implement their ideas. Nobody is proven right. Nobody is proven wrong. Instead we fester in our own mire while the anger boils over.
    Quote Originally Posted by Revuhlooshun View Post
    You're not following what I am saying. A major U.S. political party cannot be so crazy that it no longer appeals to the mainstream -- its views, its policies, its candidates, and its elected officials are all dictated and chosen by the mainstream. You two are confusing the egg for the chicken, but only because it's a different system. It is designed so that each party appeals directly to what voters want and are looking for, which is why the two parties are so alike on most issues (but are beginning to diverge a lot as well as the electorate becomes more extreme and divided).

    The party is only crazy because the people are crazy, because it is designed strictly to appeal to the people, no more, no less. American politics is influenced a lot more by ordinary people than in parliamentary systems where parties largely govern themselves without a lot of outside input besides polling, unless they choose to open decision making to the public (which is rare in many countries).

    There is no choosing in that regard in the American system. Voters pre-approve every candidate that then goes on national television and espouses his views on legitimate rape. What he said is not any different than what dozens of other candidates in his party have said for over 20 years either. He simply worded it horribly.
    I'd like to say that I got what you mean but couldn't really think of any good reply.

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    Let me visualize what I am saying:



    It's not a coincidence then that the Republican Party now espouses harder pro-life views when those who are pro-choice number at a record low amount. It can only be as crazy as the people themselves. It cannot make itself so crazy that it no longer appeals to the mainstream. It will either follow the people as they become crazier, or it will moderate with them.

    Unfortunately, the crazy has no end in sight.

  20. #2980
    The crazies that I am most familiar with are my family members, friends, and associates. I downloaded and read through the Rep Party Platform and there's some contradictory stuff in there as well as just flat out shit that shouldn't be. People will say "that stuff doesn't matter. Romney said loose quote 'i'm not doing any of that stuff'," but if that stuff is irrelevant, then why include it?

    It's also highly amusing to me that the Christian fundamentalists are championing a Mormon.

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